Yes, Shell Cool I agree with a lot you say, but at the GYOW tour Gareth had the scruffy look. Ripped jeans, a load of tops on and a heavy jacket. Dont know how he performed in it all. Personally I didn't like it as he was so clean cut on Pop Idol, but I thought "the young ones love it ". He tried that look and it didn't work. It didn't detract from his music as far as I was concerned, then the album didn't sell so well. It is a no win situation, presentation mean different things to different people. I have posted quite a few times Gareth could sing the telephone directory in a cupboard under the stairs, as long as he sings, to that I will now add, topless, bottomless, clothes on or off, as long as he sings.